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"facebook is provably evil and has motives that are diametrically opposed to the underlying promise of the internet's potential to connect people, but their massive web tech is exactly what we need for our open source project" is a really wild ride every time I think about it.

@djsundog sometimes it's not so much "question if we actually need this bad webshit" as "question if the underlying project, or new development therein, is even of value, if it is so inextricably connected to such things"

@carcinopithecus exactly! and honestly it's kind of an ironic blind spot for certain project devs to have when they shun other open source projects due to the devs having horrible politics. like, giving the shitcorp a pass over the shitlords is not really doing anything.

@djsundog React could not be more aptly named because it gives me hives

@djsundog i try not to think about the extent to which the people developing popular internet technologies today fail to understand the principles of the open web as i learned them, because if i do i just get depressed

@djsundog I don't understand how anyone can use Facebook React, Microsoft anything (github), Oracle Java (openjdk is OK), etc. and think they still "own" their software. It's dependent on actual criminal organizations spyware.

@mdhughes and even if it wasn't phoning home at every possible chance, it's completely optimized to their use cases and their development workflows and on and on and on. it's fit for purpose - theirs - and that's about as far as its scope should travel. we need to stop picking up hitchhikers in these shady areas near prisons like the Redmond campus and the former Sun campus. (Uncle Larry is everywhere, it is just too late.)

@djsundog @mdhughes some people say that Sun was customer focused (perhaps to their own detriment).

so I was happy to be a user (or guest) in Solaris, DTrace, ZFS, and, yes, the JVM

but where are Facebook's or Microsoft's or Google's or Oracle's loyalties?

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