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Hot fedi take 

Most instances should run with every user having "admin" rights.

If you're an admin who's uncomfortable allowing your users to have that access, then you should be pickier about who gets an account.

(yes, these are blanket statements that don't necessarily apply to corner cases, but, um, if we're all corner cases...)

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@djsundog That's definitely thought provoking. Now I'm imagining creating software with that in mind from the beginning. "Oh. All users are admins. Be careful!" Or perhaps building software with more robust undo operations so even the novices can be involved. Hmmm...

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@cstanhope there ya go, those are some interesting roads to explore :)

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@djsundog @cstanhope 🤔 . o O ( recalls that Plan 9 has no super-user or root account. )

Hot fedi take 

@cstanhope @djsundog

"All users are admins. Be careful!"

So, like MS-DOS, Windows 3.x and Windows 9x then.

We shoulda been more careful.

Hot fedi take 

@djsundog sometimes you have no idea until you've seen that person shitpost for a year

sometimes you have no idea until that person is already admin and their buddy just posted something racist

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@carcinopithecus indeed - the intentionality of where, how, and with whom folks set up their instances would have to be quite different than the current norm

Hot fedi take 

@djsundog in an ideal world i agree, but conversely i think it's important for the people who don't have connections/networks of trust with admins to be able to set up accounts on the network too. i just think we should work towards minimizing that situation and maximizing what you are talking about

Hot fedi take 

@kibimon @djsundog this came up at my talk last week; right now the whole problem of "you need to know someone with the skills to run a server" is a big blocker for a lot of people, and it results in more exclusivity than I feel comfortable with.

I want to attack the problem by lowering the skill threshold for running a server, but a problem like this needs to be hit from both ends.

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@technomancy @kibimon heck yeah - if we could cut the needed skills and financial outlay by 50+% from where we are now it'd definitely go a long way towards making this a lot more approachable platform overall

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@technomancy @kibimon @djsundog

We had this exact same thought at the H-Town meeting as well.

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@djsundog SPAZ operates like that. Not our Fedi server, but a lot of stuff, like our LibreTime setup. If you're in, you're all the way in.

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@djsundog Also most of our Matrix groups, etc. Anarchism.

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@TheGibson I'll have you to maybe/maybe within six months from today.

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@djsundog

Maybe.

I like having a team, but I also like letting people on the fence in because our community often wins them over.

But giving everyone admin.... this gives me a fright.

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@TheGibson that's a sign that admin functionality may be overpowered/badly structured/randomly and unexpectedly dangerous

@djsundog Does this not imply that the majority of instances should run with a small social circle and not be themed around specific things for example?

That organizational structure seems to imply specific kinds of relationships.

@silverwizard maybe, if we were limited to the current tools at hand, but I'm curious about potential implementations that would allow for those use cases as well, if the tools were designed to be universally accessible by its users.

How could we change things to decentralize as much control as possible to the users of a service? What would be the costs to get us there and what would we be giving up?

@djsundog I know when I consider making accounts on services run by others, my goal is giving up some power, and when I host my own it's for when I want control, and having others dictate for me is nice sometimes, as long as I have the option not to
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